DH Venom Mk1

[pastagage]

Hello,

 

This is my first post here and I am from the French-speaking part of Switzerland, and of course I do not speak German ;)

 

I am looking for pictures of Venom FB.1 that flew in the Schweizer Luftwaffe, and more particularly the version without the sharp nose but with camouflage.

 

I know it sounds very specific, but I need some pictures for a plastic model project. I already contacted Mr Bérard who wrote a book on Swiss Venom but he does not have such pictures.

 

Thank you for your help !

 

pasta

[Danix]

salut pasta,

 

Bienvenue sur le flightforum. Je pourais parler français si tu veux. Je connaîs les Venom pas très bien. Moi je suis le spécialist pour la Suisse Mirage III.

 

Si tu regards chez

 

Modellshop.ch et tappe Venom sur "Schnellsuche" (gauche top)

 

tu vois la version Mk. 1. C'est pas la même chose que FB1? La tu trouves tout le kit, les decals inclus. Dis-moi si ça suffit pour toi ou si t'as besoin encore des autres choses.

 

Ecrire en français c'est difficile... :o

 

Dani

[Danix]

ah, je vois maintenant ce que tu veux dire.

 

Ici c'est la premier version?

 

http://luftwaffe.festung-oberland.ch/FLUGZEUGE/DH-100/DH-100.html

[pastagage]

Danke Dani !

 

Merci d'écrire en français ! Just in case everyone does not speak French, I will carry on in English if you dont mind.

 

I didn't know about this website, thanks for sharing. I already have the decals we can buy on this website and they allow several combinations of aircraft. I'd just like to make something a bit different: A Mk1, round-nose and with camouflage, something that we don't see often.

 

 

To answer your question, Mk.1, FB.1 or FB.50 are the same. The FB.50 denomination is just the export version. If you guys have any pictures you will make my day :-)

 

1000 thanks,

 

Pasta

[pastagage]

ah, je vois maintenant ce que tu veux dire.

 

Ici c'est la premier version?

 

http://luftwaffe.festung-oberland.ch/FLUGZEUGE/DH-100/DH-100.html

 

Ca c'est le Vampire, le grand-frère du Venom. They almost look the same :)

[Danix]

So have you found what you are looking for? You need the Mk 1 I showed you but with the camouflage? hmmm...

[Danix]

Modellversum

 

Here is an interesting post: There is a kit with various variations and photos included. Maybe it helps. There is quite a bit of information around in the internet. A lot is in German unfortunately...

 

It looks like your kit from Czech Master Resin allows to build all 4 versions of the Swiss Mk.1. Are you planning to build a version that never existed? Do you mean camouflage in green/grey or the blue/gray air-to-air camouflage?

[pastagage]

Actually, I am looking for pictures of real Venoms. When Switzerland received their first Mk.1 Venoms they were painted aluminum, later they received a 3 ton camo and in the 70s, 1974 if I remember well, they received the sharp nose to allow the IFF and other goodies.

 

I am just looking for pics of camouflaged Mk1 Venoms before the addition of the sharp nose. I looked pretty much everywhere on internet and asked some friends but I didnt find anything yet :confused:

 

Pasta

[Danix]

OK, I don't know for sure, but it looks like they never had the green/grey camouflage with the short nose. Are you definetly positive about that?

 

For me it looks like they had the air-to-air camouflage grey/blue in the beginning. Because they were in the fighter role. Only later they became attack aircraft and thus received the grey/green? But that was the time when they received the long nose.

 

It says in my last link that J-1001, the very first Venom in Switzerland, crashed in an accident just a few months after delivery. So if you have a picture of J-1001, you must have the very first version of the Swiss Venom.

 

If my theory is correct, you just have to take a (real) picture of J-1001 and you have what you need.

 

Qu'est-ce que tu pense?

 

A bientot

Dani

[pastagage]

Have a look at the only picture I found

For me it looks like grey/green. I would like to find other pics from the same era.

[1qay]

Hey Pasta,

 

probably Hausi knows something you are asking for:

 

http://flightforum.ch/forum/member.php?u=5314

 

Try to catch him by sending a mail/Nachricht in his profile. He's an old (sorry Hausi :-) venom fighter pilot with some old pics about them.

 

Cheers - Mike

[Danix]

He's not *that* old :005: But he is very knowledgable and a good guy. His user name is Hausi122.

 

Pasta, the aircraft on your picture are newer versions of the Venom, not Mk 1. Look at the horizontal stabilizer. This is the green/gray camouflage of the attack fighters (and reconnaissance). The very first Venoms where air-to-air fighters, that's why they had a blue/gray camouflage (and others silber or grey).

 

If you look at the link I have given you (Modellversum) you can easily recognize that the very first Venoms where grey/blue. I suspect they never where green/gray in the old version (short nose, no wing tip tanks).

 

But this is just a guess, I have no proof.

 

Hope we will find out,

Dani

[pastagage]

Thanks guys for the information, I will contact 'old' Hausi.

 

As for the picture above, these birds are Mk.1 (see shape of vertical stabilizer and fairing). Although wingtip tanks on the Venom were jettisonable, if you have no wingtip tanks you probably have a Vampire (I guess that's what you call the 'old version').

 

Cheers,

 

Pasta

[Danix]

I think I'm pretty wrong, because all the links I gave you are about the Vampire.

 

The Venom is the one with the wing tip tanks and in the ground attack role, hence green/gray colour. Your picture shows a Venom, but I'm not sure which version.

 

I'm sorry for that - I'm continue to look for pictures for you.

 

Cheers,

Dani

[Danix]

Pasta, I hold my promise!

 

On this site, you basically find all you need, especially about the colours:

 

MC-One

 

He has a complete description about the camouflage versions:

 

Tarnung

 

Both in French and English - how convenient... :D

I'm sure you can also contact him personally and he will answer you all your questions.

 

J'éspère que ça sers-toi...

 

Dani :)

[Hausi122]

Hi Guys

 

the Venoms on the picture are Mk 1's. Mk. 4 had a different, wider rudder, more like a square. Pictures with the old nose and camouflaged versions are quite rare, but I will try to find some snapshots in my old and dusty boxes..

 

Regards Hausi

[Hausi122]

Hi again

 

I just found 1 pix, which fits the needs of you.

 

 

Here one more pix, taken in Sion, which shows the different rudders of MK. 1 and Mk. 4. Tailnumbers of Mk 1's were 15xx and 16xx whereas Mk. 4's had tailnumbers 17xx.

 

Regards

Hausi

 

 

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[pastagage]

Thank you Hausi for taking some time to look in your pictures !! It seems pretty hard to find such a pic, and despite the lack of serial number this picture will be quite useful to me !

It's also interesting to have both Mk.1 and Mk.4 versions on the same picture for comparison.

 

Thanks everyone for your help ;)

 

Pasta