Allgemein Airbus FBW neuster Versuch

[Walter Fischer]

http://www.airsimmer.com/snap/fbw_demo_1.wmv

 

Es schien mir nötig, ein solch eminent wichtiges Thema aus seinem nichtssagenden Thread herauszuschälen und hier neu anzureissen:)

 

Zieht Euch (mit etwas Geduld bitte) dieses Video und berichtet über Euere Eindrücke.

 

Gruss Walti

[Tobisky]

Das FBW scheint zu funktionieren. :) Wenn's wirklich so gut funktioniert, dürfen wir uns hoffentlich auf einen tollen A320 freuen. Aber natürlich nur, wenn die anderen Systeme auch so gut umgesetzt sind ;)

[Young Pilot]

Hi

 

Habe eben das Video geschaut, looks nice:)

Aber gibs den da grosse Differenzen gegenüber den Airbussen von Wilco?

Rein vom Video seh ich nichts...

 

Gruss

 

Roman

[conaly]

Hi,

die größte ist wohl, dass überhaupt ein FBW verfügbar ist. Ansonsten schau dich einfach mal auf deren Seite bzw. Forum um, da findest du massig Infos. Der Airbus soll eines der besten Add Ons werden (wollen wir hoffen, dass es so wird^^), daher auf dem Level der PMDG 747/MD11 und ähnlichen Fliegern sein.

[Young Pilot]

Hi,

die größte ist wohl, dass überhaupt ein FBW verfügbar ist.

 

Hi

 

Danke für deine Antwort. Klar ich meinte ausser dem FBW:).

Genau jetzt können wir nur noch hoffen:)

 

Gruss

 

Roman

[marvin]

Wenn die A320 dann eine gute FBW Umsetzung hat, ist denn dann davon auszugehen, dass es bald auch Heavys mit einem ordentlich FBW gibt?

 

Soweit ich informiert bin, sind die jetzigen Airbus Simulationen nicht so berauschend...

[conaly]

Hi,

gibt ja eigentlich nicht viele Flugzeuge, die ein FBW haben, außer die A320Serie und eben A330/A340/A380 *. AirSimmer werden wohl am A330 oder A340 nach der A320 Serie arbeiten. Allerdings wird das wohl noch etwas länger dauern. Der Release der A320 Serie soll noch in diesem Jahr kommen.

 

*Die T7 hat auch eins, aber da werden die Befehle eben nur über Computer weitergeleitet, aber sowas wie Bank-Protection etc. gibts nicht.

[Young Pilot]

Hi

 

Hab mich gerade auf der Homepage + im Forum herumgetrieben.

Ist das release datum schon bekannt?

Habe eben nichts gefunden...

 

Gruss

 

Roman

[RemoveBeforeFlight]

nein, wurde noch nichts bekanntgegeben. ich schätze mal sommer!

[Tobisky]

Die geben, wie PMDG, bewusst kein Release bekannt. Sie arbeiten schon sehr lange (ähnlich PMDG) an dem Airbus. Wenn das Ergebnis dann auch so gut rauskommt, wie bei der MD-11 dürfen wir uns ja freuen :)

[340-Fan]

Der Airsimmer wird noch realistischer sein als PMDG mit ihrem MD-11! :008:

 

(Quelle: Nachbar, der Beta-tester bei Airsimmer ist und Swiss MD-11 geflogen hat!)

 

Gruess Tim

[Tobisky]

Was bedeutet realistischer im Vergleich zu PMDG? Flugverhalten? Systemumsetzungen?

[340-Fan]

In sehr vielem ;) (Keine Ahnung, Er ist ja betatester net ich)

 

Hier ein Statement vom Leading Programmer des Teams, welches er noch im 2007 gemacht hat! Es hat sich noch einiges dazugegeben!

 

First of all, our goal is to be the leader in producing ultimate-quality Airbus-based aircraft add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator. This is our mission statement, and that’s what the company has in mind every second of its operations.

 

Secondly, we achieve this goal by employing highly-trained professionals for each part of our projects (such as visual modeling and texturing, flight dynamics, sounds and system programming). We also believe that the flight simulator add-on industry today is primarily a business, and consumers of premium-quality add-ons must receive the same level of service as consumers of other premium-quality products. We achieve this by choosing Flight One as our e-commerce partner. Flight One is known as the leader of the field. It offers consumers a customer-friendly, convenient and secure purchasing experience, as well as a piece of mind with the 30-day money-back guarantee. We work with Navigraph to allow you to have the best and the latest navigation database updates. We provide you with a Support Forum that is viewed constantly, so you get answers to your questions as soon as possible. We work with various companies in aviation industry in order to support our designers and programmers with all they need for proper, thorough, improvisation-free modeling. AirSimmer is one of the next-generation developers who work on their project full-time, rather than working on days-off, while busy with other ‘real-world’ activities.

 

All of this translates into the final product. We model everything that is required for flight operation of the aircraft, and we do mean it. To give a little technical insight, all of our gauges are written in C++ from day one. All system logics runs outside FS. Essentially, our aircraft uses FS for what the real aircraft uses world environment for. Let’s take ADIRS system, for example. There isn’t just one ADIRS on our A320. There are three. All of them run independently, supplying various aircraft systems with Air Data (such as airspeed, Mach number, atmospheric pressure and angle of attack) and Inertial Data (including present position, track, groundspeed, and wind information). Each of these systems has its own accuracy. One could drift more than the other. Each ADIRS has 9 sub-modes, including fast realignment, excess motion, ATT mode… The synthesis of 3 IRS positions, or MIX IRS position, is complimented by GPS to calculate GPIRS position. The FMGS then properly calculates FM POS (Flight Management Position) using GPIRS, taking into account bias logics. For example, remember that you have to enter runway shift into the MCDU as part of pre-flight preparation? The FMGS uses this shift to come up with the actual position on takeoff (based on runway position in the database, plus runway shift correction), which becomes the FM POS when you advance throttles to takeoff power, overpowering GPIRS position. GPIRS is actually not quite the same as pure GPS position. If you lose the GPS (signal goes down, or there is a failure), the plane doesn’t switch back to MIX IRS (which could cause map shift), but rather the FM POS remains at the last known GPIRS and is calculated further from there using IR data. It is a must for us to go into details like this.

 

FMGS system does include all Flight Management and Guidance functions. All autopilot modes, all autothrottle modes, and full Flight Management Systems are there. You get real holding entry (direct, parallel or offset, as appropriate), full flight plan management, including alternate and company routing, secondary flight plan, DATA page, pseudo-waypoints, constraints and so on. Our team spent a lot of time for research and development, studying tens of thousands of pages of documentation to bring you the most accurate FMGS model. After all, it is the heart of the A320.

 

Hydraulic system is another example. We simulate all 3 systems (Green, Blue and Yellow). We model the proper flight control supplies. For example, different spoiler sections are powered by different hydraulic systems. We simulate the bidirectional Power Transfer Unit, (PTU) that equals the pressure in G and Y systems when only one is available. Electrical system is also fully modeled. You get all appropriate bus assignments for all systems. EMER CONFIG, including such details that the EMER GEN is powered not by RAT directly, but by B HYD, which, in turn, is powered by RAT.

 

Flight controls are also up to the top level. We totally disconnect the conventional FS axes (this is done seamlessly), ‘capture’ all joystick inputs, send them for processing through our simulated ELAC and SEC computers, and then send the filtered signal back to FS. All FBW configurations are modeled (Normal Law, Alternate Law, Direct Law, and Mechanical Backup). The Normal Law includes all protections. Pitch control is simulated in accordance to C* law (C STAR), where pitch rate demand is used at lower speeds, and g-load demand on higher speeds. Our FBW uses the PI (Proportional-Integral) controller to meet the sidestick demand, just like the real Bus. Reconfiguration (Alternate) law is also simulated, including such features as reverting to Direct Law when gear is extended. If you want some chilling experience, you can turn off all five flight control computers (2 ELAC, 3 SEC), putting the aircraft in Mechanical Backup configuration, leaving yourself with a dead sidestick and just rudder, THS (Trimmable Horizontal Stabilizer) and thrust available. Now try and land it. Yes, you do get all that with AirSimmer.

 

Have you ever heard the ‘MINIMUM’ auto call-out? Do you think it’s triggered when height equals decision height (DH)? Think again. The height at which this call-out is commanded by FWC (Flight Warning Computer) equals to DH+X, where X varies with DH. The ‘RETARD’ callout is dependent on the Throttle Lever position, just like in the real airplane, and will keep playing until you retard the throttles to idle or touchdown, whichever comes first. All our callouts and warning sounds are undistinguishable from the actual ones.

 

Have you noticed how MODE CHANGE appears on ND when you select another mode? Screen blinking due to power transfer? Yes, we do simulate small things like this, too.

 

I presented you with but a fraction of the vast list of technical features of our A320 Family. Hopefully, it gives you a little bit of understanding what level of realism we are going for. If you have any questions about the system implementation level of our A320, and whether it is true or not, I suggest you wait for shortly before release. We saved the best for last. Everything will fall into place when we make the next big announcement.

 

Thank you for your attention!

 

 

Gruess Tim

[340-Fan]

Und hier noch ein kleines Statement, wie Sie das Produkt erweitern werden:

 

At AirSimmer, we have a vision that products need to be live - that is, we want them to be constantly updated, enhanced, extended and refined. In order to achieve this, we decided to split our products into two parts: AirSimmer Core Products and AirSimmer Live!

 

AirSimmer Core Products

 

These are going to be the AirSimmer Aircraft. Initially the A320 series, followed later by A330 and A340, and continued thereafter.

The Core products are solely aircraft models. That is, each Core Product will include a high-quality visual model, soundset, flight dynamics and panel (2D and VC).

 

AirSimmer Live!

 

AirSimmer Live! is what we decided to call all the Extra features that we are going to supply with our Core Products.

AirSimmer Live! will include all the non-aircraft 'toppings', such as:

Virtual Crew

Professional Pushback Interface

Fuel Planner

SID/STAR Maker

Failure Generator

NetCrew

Advanced ACARS

..and much more

 

What it means to YOU

 

Most importantly, each customer who purchases an AirSimmer Core Product is AUTOMATICALLY subscribed to all AirSimmer Live! features FREE OF CHARGE

 

Continuous Enhancement

By making AirSimmer Live! a parallel product, we are able to continually update its content independently of the Core Products, giving you more and more features for your AirSimmer Product. Furthermore, each AirSimmer Live! Feature will apply to all Core Products.

 

For example, let's suppose you bought the A320 and then the A330. Shortly after, AirSimmer Live! is updated with, say, an advanced ACARS. In this case, the ACARS will not become part of the newer A330 alone - it will apply to the A320 as well.

 

By doing this, we try to follow our real-life counterpart manufacturer, which is known for updating older series with new technology rather then re-doing them. For instance, the LCD display-based cockpit was first introduced on the A340-500/600 and then became available on A320 series as well. Essentially, the same concept will apply to AirSimmer.

 

Personalization

AirSimmer Live! concept will also allow you to truly personalize your AirSimmer Product.

Each element of AirSimmer Live! will be available independently, thus allowing you to select only the features you want. This is useful if you wish to save disk space or to better suit your computer's configuration for optimal performance and FPS rate. Of course, you can always install all of AirSimmer Live! features for the ultimate flight simulating experience.

 

Personalizing your AirSimmer Product will be similar to the way you personalize a car at a dealership before you buy it, adding the options you need, selecting the colors you want, and so on. There will be one big difference though - the options are free!

 

 

....More

 

AirSimmer Core and AirSimmer Live! product philosophy is only one item of the series of news we have for you. Stay tuned - there is lots more to come, as we continue to gradually uncover what AirSimmer truly is about!

 

If you have any questions - please feel free to post here - we'd love you to know as much about our Project as possible!

 

Thank you.

 

 

Nach dem A320 wird dann übrigens der A330, dann A340, dann A340NG kommen!

[oneworldflyer]

A340NG

 

Was ist denn A340NG? :confused::confused:

[D-EBIP]

A345/A346 ;)

[oneworldflyer]

A345/A346 ;)

 

Ist das die offizielle Bezeichnung?

[340-Fan]

Jepp :008:

[oneworldflyer]

Jepp :008:

 

Na schön, wieder was dazu gelernt. Schade müssen wir Europäer die amerikanische Bezeichnung kopieren...

[340-Fan]

Ja wie hättest du es denn genannt? :p:009:

[Dani R.]

Ja wie hättest du es denn genannt? :p:009:

 

Ich wär für A3456 :-D

[oneworldflyer]

Ja wie hättest du es denn genannt? :p:009:

 

Wozu überhaupt NG? A343 vs. A346 ist nicht eine NG im Sinne von 737 vs. 738...

[340-Fan]

Doch, es ist eine Weiterentwicklung! A346 ist 10 Jahre später gekommen als der A343! Drum wird auch zwischen den alten und den neuen separiert

[conaly]

Hi,

doch, da es meines Wissens mehr Unterschiede zwischen A340-200/-300 und -500/-600 gibt, als zwischen A330-Serie und A340-200/-300.

[oneworldflyer]

Doch, es ist eine Weiterentwicklung! A346 ist 10 Jahre später gekommen als der A343! Drum wird auch zwischen den alten und den neuen separiert

 

Na schön, dennoch find ich die Bezeichnug überflüssig... 343s haben ja auch schon FBW etc... und Glascockpit...

 

Schau dir mal einen alten und neuen Bobby an, da gibts tonnenweise Unterschiede mehr...

 

Anyway, I got it.. :rolleyes: